4 Aug
2025
4 Aug
'25
8:55 p.m.
With that approach I'd be worried about a future in which the archives were
first made private but then no created-by-professionals summary was
actually created.
I'm also pessimistic about a summary capturing the wide range of
perspectives towards these dances that this list has historically
reflected. Not because of any intent to quash a diversity of opinion, but
simply because that's what this sort of project tends to do.
Jeff
On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 8:29 PM Luke Donforth via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I'm in favor of putting the list in a private
archive and having CDSS
generate a resource(s) for ONS callers and others. I think a
created-by-professionals summary would be more useful than the
sprawling archive.
I'll chime in on the survey when that goes around.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:51 AM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I'm strongly in favor of keeping the archives
public: I think AI bots
training on our archives is a *good* thing.
Historically, the way people found this sort of information was
searching. They would type in things like "how do I call contra dances",
"traditional dances for families", "equal turn dances with contra
corners",
etc, the callers list would show up, they would click through and read
things. This still happens, but we're very quickly moving to a world where
instead people ask questions to chatgpt etc. When people do that, I think
we'd rather them have as good information as possible, which means it's
better for the list archives to be included in the training data for these
models.
There are definitely downsides, especially with current models that do a
lot of making things up and don't link you through to the source of the
information, but I think these are mostly temporary: combining the best of
models and traditional search is a problem people are working hard on
solving.
Jeff
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Hi Mary,
The "Free for 30 days" that you see is a tier of service for the over
all list. CDSS is funding this community so that we can afford the premium
level service.
However, individual user accounts on the site are always free. (Only
the list get costs money, not the individuals.)
Seth
On Aug 4, 2025, at 11:06 AM, Mary Keith Eustis <keustis06(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
It seems the free account is only for 30 days. Am I missing something?
Keith Eustis
On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 11:02 AM Seth Seeger via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
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Dear list members,
Since the beginning, the archives for this list have been public. This
was an effort to make information easier to search, to find, to link to,
and to share. However, the days of free information online have changed.
AI bots are now scraping the web for data to train on and privacy is more
of an issue.
As we move to groups.io, Chris and I would like to make the archives
private. The biggest reasons are member privacy and to protect us
from AI training/scraping. This means that you’ll need a free account on
the new site to view the archives.
We feel this is a good change for our community. Since the only
barrier to the archives would be subscribing, we think this is a reasonable
trade off between privacy and accessibility.
If you have concerns about this change, please reply! (Once we make
the archives at groups.io private, we cannot make them public again
later.)
Thank you,
Seth & Chris
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