6 Aug
2025
6 Aug
'25
10:46 a.m.
+1 maia
On Wed, Aug 6, 2025, at 10:44 AM, Joe Harrington via Contra Callers wrote:
If it's private, the group will no longer be
searchable in any really sensible way. I just skimmed the topics in the Groups.io manual,
and search isn't even mentioned. You can probably get a keyword search, but any
topical or natural-language search such as you'd run on a modern search engine,
including safe ones like DuckDuckGo, won't work anymore. This also means that callers
who don't know about the list, and there are many, many of those, will not discover it
through searching for a calling topic.
--jh--
On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 10:25 AM Perry Shafran via Contra Callers
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My personal view is that I personally don't care one way or the other - but there
seems to be enough concern by others to push the list to being private. I know that there
are many benefits to it being public, but "public" means that all sorts of
unsavory characters can access and do whatever with it, and that's enough for me to
keep it private. There's no financial cost whatsoever to membership, so anyone who
wants the info should be approved before they get access.
I'm sure there are benefits to having a public list, but I think those benefits are
maintained if you make it private and have people join the group.
Perry Shafran
On Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 10:12:01 AM EDT, Maia McCormick via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Just my two cents, not an opinion that's necessarily strong enough to sway us one way
or the other but figured I'd share:
I really don’t feel excited about feeding the giant capitalist dystopia plagiarism
machine. I don't see "improving the capability of LLMS" as an obvious good.
I think that LLMs are good for a ton of things, but the current hype is overblown and
dangerous and I'm just hoping the current bubble pops before it does more damage.
I agree that if you exist on the Internet these days, it's pretty hard to avoid
having your content fed to LLMs; and I think the benefit of having the listserv be public
to nonmembers may very well outweigh the costs of feeding the giant capitalist dystopia
plagiarism machine. However, I will be pretty grumpy if we decide that feeding the
plagiarism machine is the express reason WHY we are leaving the listserv public.
--
Maia McCormick (she/her)
917.279.8194
On Wed, Aug 6, 2025 at 5:22 AM Mo Waddington via Contra Callers
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Some of us are UK based, so members of EFDSS not CDSS
On 05/08/2025 22:29, Sivier, Jonathan E via Contra Callers wrote:
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To unsubscribe send an email to contracallers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net There are 2 different elements of a group that
can be made private. There is the archive of past messages and then there is the group
itself. I would suggest that even if the archives are made private, so that only group
members can access them, that the groups should still be listed in the Groups.io
directory. That would mean that people looking for dance related groups could find them
and apply to join. Of course, if the intention is that only CDSS members can join the
groups then I suppose they shouldn't be listed in the directory and links to the
groups could be available in CDSS Commons where CDSS members can log in and then apply to
join one or more lists.
Jonathan
*From:* Sivier, Jonathan E <jsivier(a)illinois.edu>
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:42 PM
*To:* contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
*Subject:* Re: [Callers] Re: List archives
If you are a member of the group, and logged in, the numbers under the months are links
to the archive.
Jonathan
*From:* Keith Elmo Eldridge via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 5, 2025 3:35 PM
*To:* 'barbara153' <barbara153(a)aol.com>om>; 'Michael Fuerst via Contra
Callers' <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
*Subject:* [Callers] Re: List archives
Barbara wrote:
> How would I access these lists if you change to private?
I moved a number of genealogical Mailing Lists from RootsWeb to Groups.io in 2020. The
archives for them are not private and they at listed by month at the bottom of the page
for each Group. E.g. for my Essex-UK Group go to:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Essex-UK__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q…
When the archives for a Group are private the message per month are shown, but there are
no links, just a number. E.g.
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.io/g/Podger__;!!DZ3fjg!9gV8o9q6j…
Cheers
Elmo
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--Keith Elmo Eldridge
--Elmo(a)aphelia.co.uk
--Sheffield, England
--I am therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am.
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