16 Aug
2025
16 Aug
'25
9:33 a.m.
I've had a request which I would love to honor, to teach *Moneymusk* to my
dance community. It's a perpetual "advanced beginner/intermediate" group,
with some very good dancers here and there. I think that with time, we
could make it work, but I would love to introduce the concept of triple
minor with something simpler. I could certainly do any number of ECDs, but
do any of you know of a relatively easy contra in triple minor? Sort of a
"Triple Minor 101"?
Thanks!
Allison in Maine
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20 Aug
20 Aug
5:53 a.m.
Thanks, Chris.
I'm enjoying the various types of Triple Minor but you nailed it- I hope to
give my dancers experience with the Moneymusk style of triples. Both of the
dances you suggest fit the bill nicely (and my dancers enjoy the occasional
ECD).
Allison in Maine
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One problem with a single progression triple minor is that the end
effects are
a bit messy: at the top, dancers are waiting out
for 2 turns, and at the
bottom
an inexperienced couple can find themselves stuck
there.
Yes, but the point of this is to practice the messy end effects that
occur in Money Musk.
Which is why I also would lean against a triple minor where the twos
and threes are becket
-- there's not practice in the Money Musk formation..
My impulse would for a Money Musk warm-up would be:
If they're okay with another no-swing dance that feels ECD-like, this
is a very easy triple minor:
The Cotery
Triple Minor, proper
A1 Gent one set twice to lady two, then two-hand turn lady three,
return to place
A2 Lady one do the same
B1 Ones lead down, come back, cast off
B2 Ones and twos do four changes of rights and lefts
The social interactions and seeing how people mess with the A1/A2
gives this dance interest.
I'd try and keep sets to 7-10 couples.
If the dancers want something with swings, I'd use Good Times, with a
variant B2:
Good Times (B2 variant)
Al Olson
Ones improper
A1 Dip-and-dive to place
A2 Corner balance and swing
B1 Circle left 1
B2 Long lines, ones swing
The B2 was changed to let the ones swing each other, prevent
collisions in the center, and
to give time in the B2 for the twos and threes to identify their next
hands-six.
This has a low piece count, and chances for people to figure out which
number they
are each time through the dance.
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
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7:10 a.m.
If you want to teach the triple progression without the messy ends, then try Almost
Sackets Harbor. The B2 is modified from the original to:Two hands with Partner,One shuttle
down to between the next 2's and 3's, then hands 6 circle round.The 2's and
3's shuttle (like a one-way pousette) toward the top of the set.
At the top end, the circle is hands 4, and the 3's become the new 1's with no
waiting out.
Bob Fabinski
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One problem with a single progression triple minor is that the end effects are
a bit messy: at the top, dancers are waiting out for 2 turns, and at the bottom
an inexperienced couple can find themselves stuck there.
Yes, but the point of this is to practice the messy end effects that
occur in Money Musk.
Which is why I also would lean against a triple minor where the twos
and threes are becket
-- there's not practice in the Money Musk formation..
My impulse would for a Money Musk warm-up would be:
If they're okay with another no-swing dance that feels ECD-like, this
is a very easy triple minor:
The Cotery
Triple Minor, proper
A1 Gent one set twice to lady two, then two-hand turn lady three,
return to place
A2 Lady one do the same
B1 Ones lead down, come back, cast off
B2 Ones and twos do four changes of rights and lefts
The social interactions and seeing how people mess with the A1/A2
gives this dance interest.
I'd try and keep sets to 7-10 couples.
If the dancers want something with swings, I'd use Good Times, with a
variant B2:
Good Times (B2 variant)
Al Olson
Ones improper
A1 Dip-and-dive to place
A2 Corner balance and swing
B1 Circle left 1
B2 Long lines, ones swing
The B2 was changed to let the ones swing each other, prevent
collisions in the center, and
to give time in the B2 for the twos and threes to identify their next hands-six.
This has a low piece count, and chances for people to figure out which
number they
are each time through the dance.
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
1:43 a.m.
One problem with a single progression triple minor is that the end
effects are
a bit messy: at the top, dancers are waiting out for 2 turns, and at the
bottom
an inexperienced couple can find themselves stuck there.
A triple progression fixes these end effects. I've put together a role free
triple minor with a triple progression. It borrows rather heavily from the
bush dance Thady You Gander. So ...
Take a Gander at This
Triple minor, triple progression, couple 1 improper
A1 First line (the robin's side, so lark 1 followed by
robins 2 and 3) go around the other three people
and back to place
A2 Second line the same
B1/B2 Couple 1 strip the willow past THREE couples: 1s
turn partner right, turn the 2s by the left, 1s turn
partner right, next couple left, 1s turn partner right,
the next couple by the left (yes, that last couple was in
a different triple minor set). There should be time for
the 1s to finish with a short swing and face down. The new
number 1 at the top also swings at this time.
During the strip the willow, the 1s are working their way down
and the other couples need to move up after they are turned.
Peter Foster
On 17/08/2025 9:27 pm, Allison and Hunt Smith via Contra Callers wrote:
Thanks, Colin and Jacob! I will add them to the
repertoire!
Think I'll try Swiss Allemande next week- that's about right for this
crowd.
Allison in Maine
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 10:39 AM Jacob or Nancy Bloom
<jandnbloom(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Allison,
I recommend the 18th century dance Swiss Allemande. Historical
note: Swiss Allemande and Allemande Swiss were two different
tunes, and multiple dances were written to both of them. The
dance below was published by the dancing master Benjamin Walker in
1784. More information is available on my blog at
dancehistoryalive.com/blog/2018/0
<http://dancehistoryalive.com/blog/2018/0>
Swiss Allemande Proper Triple Minor Walker 1784
The (Ladies/Ravens/First Line/People Facing The Door) take hands
and the first (whatever) leads their line around the other three
people and back to place
The (Gents/Larks/Second Line/People Facing The Windows) do the same
First couple down the center, return and cast off one place
All clap (own hands, right hand with partner, own hands, left
hands with partner, own, right, own, left), two hand turn with partner
At the start of the next time through the dance the former second
(whatever) is likely to have to run to catch up with the two
people in their new minor set. Let the dancers know in advance
that this is likely to happen, and that it's part of the fun of
the dance.
Jacob Bloom
jandnbloom(a)gmail.com
http://jacobbloom.net/
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025, 9:33 AM Allison and Hunt Smith via Contra
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I've had a request which I would love to honor, to teach
/Moneymusk/ to my dance community. It's a perpetual "advanced
beginner/intermediate" group, with some very good dancers here
and there. I think that with time, we could make it work, but
I would love to introduce the concept of triple minor with
something simpler. I could certainly do any number of ECDs,
but do any of you know of a relatively easy contra in triple
minor? Sort of a "Triple Minor 101"?
Thanks!
Allison in Maine
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7:27 p.m.
I like triple minors where the 1s can really help the 2s and 3s know which role they are
dancing are good for helping people new to the formation. A couple that are good for
this are "Young Widow" and "Sackett's Harbor." If the 1s are
assertive they can make it plain to the others which role they are dancing.
Jonathan
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Easy Triple Minor?
Hi Allison,
I recommend the 18th century dance Swiss Allemande. Historical note: Swiss Allemande and
Allemande Swiss were two different tunes, and multiple dances were written to both of
them. The dance below was published by the dancing master Benjamin Walker in 1784. More
information is available on my blog at
dancehistoryalive.com/blog/2018/0<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://dan…
Swiss Allemande Proper Triple Minor Walker 1784
The (Ladies/Ravens/First Line/People Facing The Door) take hands and the first (whatever)
leads their line around the other three people and back to place
The (Gents/Larks/Second Line/People Facing The Windows) do the same
First couple down the center, return and cast off one place
All clap (own hands, right hand with partner, own hands, left hands with partner, own,
right, own, left), two hand turn with partner
At the start of the next time through the dance the former second (whatever) is likely to
have to run to catch up with the two people in their new minor set. Let the dancers know
in advance that this is likely to happen, and that it's part of the fun of the dance.
Jacob Bloom
jandnbloom@gmail.com<mailto:jandnbloom@gmail.com>
http://jacobbloom.net/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jacobbloom.net…
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025, 9:33 AM Allison and Hunt Smith via Contra Callers
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wrote:
I've had a request which I would love to honor, to teach Moneymusk to my dance
community. It's a perpetual "advanced beginner/intermediate" group, with
some very good dancers here and there. I think that with time, we could make it work, but
I would love to introduce the concept of triple minor with something simpler. I could
certainly do any number of ECDs, but do any of you know of a relatively easy contra in
triple minor? Sort of a "Triple Minor 101"?
Thanks!
Allison in Maine
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Hi Allison,
Here is an easy Triple Minor, in a slightly different formation:
https://contrafusion.co.uk/Dances/TripleMinorsAreEasy.html
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com <mailto:john@modernjive.com>
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17 Aug
17 Aug
7:27 a.m.
Thanks, Colin and Jacob! I will add them to the repertoire!
Think I'll try Swiss Allemande next week- that's about right for this
crowd.
Allison in Maine
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 10:39 AM Jacob or Nancy Bloom <jandnbloom(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Allison,
I recommend the 18th century dance Swiss Allemande. Historical note:
Swiss Allemande and Allemande Swiss were two different tunes, and multiple
dances were written to both of them. The dance below was published by the
dancing master Benjamin Walker in 1784. More information is available on
my blog at dancehistoryalive.com/blog/2018/0
Swiss Allemande Proper Triple Minor Walker 1784
The (Ladies/Ravens/First Line/People Facing The Door) take hands and the
first (whatever) leads their line around the other three people and back to
place
The (Gents/Larks/Second Line/People Facing The Windows) do the same
First couple down the center, return and cast off one place
All clap (own hands, right hand with partner, own hands, left hands with
partner, own, right, own, left), two hand turn with partner
At the start of the next time through the dance the former second
(whatever) is likely to have to run to catch up with the two people in
their new minor set. Let the dancers know in advance that this is likely
to happen, and that it's part of the fun of the dance.
Jacob Bloom
jandnbloom(a)gmail.com
http://jacobbloom.net/
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025, 9:33 AM Allison and Hunt Smith via Contra Callers <
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I've had a request which I would love to
honor, to teach *Moneymusk* to
my dance community. It's a perpetual "advanced beginner/intermediate"
group, with some very good dancers here and there. I think that with time,
we could make it work, but I would love to introduce the concept of triple
minor with something simpler. I could certainly do any number of ECDs, but
do any of you know of a relatively easy contra in triple minor? Sort of a
"Triple Minor 101"?
Thanks!
Allison in Maine
--
www.huntandallison.net
http://thsmaritime.com/
www.centralhallcommons.org
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Hi Allison,
I recommend the 18th century dance Swiss Allemande. Historical note: Swiss
Allemande and Allemande Swiss were two different tunes, and multiple dances
were written to both of them. The dance below was published by the dancing
master Benjamin Walker in 1784. More information is available on my blog
at dancehistoryalive.com/blog/2018/0
Swiss Allemande Proper Triple Minor Walker 1784
The (Ladies/Ravens/First Line/People Facing The Door) take hands and the
first (whatever) leads their line around the other three people and back to
place
The (Gents/Larks/Second Line/People Facing The Windows) do the same
First couple down the center, return and cast off one place
All clap (own hands, right hand with partner, own hands, left hands with
partner, own, right, own, left), two hand turn with partner
At the start of the next time through the dance the former second
(whatever) is likely to have to run to catch up with the two people in
their new minor set. Let the dancers know in advance that this is likely
to happen, and that it's part of the fun of the dance.
Jacob Bloom
jandnbloom(a)gmail.com
http://jacobbloom.net/
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025, 9:33 AM Allison and Hunt Smith via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I've had a request which I would love to honor, to
teach *Moneymusk* to
my dance community. It's a perpetual "advanced beginner/intermediate"
group, with some very good dancers here and there. I think that with time,
we could make it work, but I would love to introduce the concept of triple
minor with something simpler. I could certainly do any number of ECDs, but
do any of you know of a relatively easy contra in triple minor? Sort of a
"Triple Minor 101"?
Thanks!
Allison in Maine
--
www.huntandallison.net
http://thsmaritime.com/
www.centralhallcommons.org
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ROBERT FABINSKI -
Sivier, Jonathan E