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Hi All,
What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is _______."
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
25 Apr
25 Apr
10:35 p.m.
Unless I have more than 20 minutes for a lesson, I am not teaching in a
foursome.
Unless I have more than 30 minutes, that foursome is getting basics - I
have no reason to do any same-role moves where they need naming.
But, hypothetically, seconding Jerome and Angela.
In dance,
Julian Blechner
he/him
Western Mass
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 10:55 PM Gregory Frock via Contra Callers <
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When using role terms, I would say something like,
"partners are across
from you, neighbors are up and down from you, larks are on this (indicate)
diagonal and robins are on this (indicate) diagonal.
If using ECD-style positional calling, I might use first and second
corners, but would hasten to distinguish between the persons and positions.
As Angela said, I do not use a generic collective term for them because
there are few, if any, dances where such a relationship description is
necessary. For a proper dance, I would identify neighbors as on the
diagonal, and would probably refer to "robins' side and larks' side" of
the
set.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 6:22 PM Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers <
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Hi All,
What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is _______."
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
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9:55 p.m.
When using role terms, I would say something like, "partners are across
from you, neighbors are up and down from you, larks are on this (indicate)
diagonal and robins are on this (indicate) diagonal.
If using ECD-style positional calling, I might use first and second
corners, but would hasten to distinguish between the persons and positions.
As Angela said, I do not use a generic collective term for them because
there are few, if any, dances where such a relationship description is
necessary. For a proper dance, I would identify neighbors as on the
diagonal, and would probably refer to "robins' side and larks' side" of
the
set.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 6:22 PM Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers <
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Hi All,
What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is _______."
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
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9:30 p.m.
This debate has been had on one of these lists in the recent past, I
believe, though I’m not in a good place to look it up. Or it might have
been in one of the Facebook groups.
The “opposite” in square dancing is the opposite-role person across the set
from you, not the same-role person diagonal from you. I would avoid
“opposite” for this reason, and I would instead use it for the
opposite-role person across from you in a 4x4.
“Opposite” is three syllables. “Neighbor’s partner” is four. It’s not so
much of a stretch, given how rarely it’s needed. I’ve never used it in a
beginner workshop and have never even thought about it being missing. (My
workshop is enough to do the first dance, not a comprehensive overview.)
More frequently, we hear “other lark” and “other robin” or just “larks” and
“robins” before describing a move they do. If larks are dancing with larks
and robins are dancing with robins, it’s rare they are doing the same thing
but yet you can’t just say “everyone.” Can anyone give an example of a
dance where it’s needed? I know they said in a workshop, not a dance, but
now I’m curious if it’s actually never needed.
—jh—
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 8:38 PM Alex Burka via Contra Callers <
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The word I'm coming up with is
"opposite", but I'm also not sure that
person is necessarily relevant enough to need a name (especially in the
beginner lesson)...
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:56 PM Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers <
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I've used several designations, depending on
the context:
Same-role neighbor
Diagonal neighbor
Diagonal
Or I might have fun pointing out that your neighbor's partner is also
your partner's neighbor, but you can call 'em Jay.
Jerome
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Hi All,
What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is _______."
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
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7:38 p.m.
The word I'm coming up with is "opposite", but I'm also not sure that
person is necessarily relevant enough to need a name (especially in the
beginner lesson)...
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:56 PM Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers <
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I've used several designations, depending on the
context:
Same-role neighbor
Diagonal neighbor
Diagonal
Or I might have fun pointing out that your neighbor's partner is also your
partner's neighbor, but you can call 'em Jay.
Jerome
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
"Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and
power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:22 PM Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers <
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Hi All,
What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is _______."
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
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6:46 p.m.
Of course, there is often some interaction with the same role person in your minor set
(chains, allemandes…), but when that occurs I find it’s not important that they were
previously identified. Instead, I find the humor involved in the lesson helps put
beginners at ease. And I typically get a nice laugh when I identify the person that way.
On Apr 25, 2025, at 4:41 PM, Jonathan Sivier via
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Except when they do. There are lots of dances where you interact with that
corner/diagonal/same role person. I can see the point of not going into great detail on
that, but I wouldn't dismiss them as being meaningless and to be ignored. I usually
say something like, "you have your partner and your neighbor and then there is 3rd
person diagonally across from you who you may interact with sometimes." I usually
don't go into any more detail about who that person is, but I want the new dancers to
be aware there is someone there.
Jonathan
On 4/25/2025 6:34 PM, jeff - syncopaths via Contra Callers wrote:
During the lesson, I typically identify the
others in the minor set as your partner, your neighbor, and the person you can ignore
because they don’t really matter much to you.
--
Jeffrey Spero
Culver City, CA
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Same-role neighbor; but usually I don't bother identifying that person as I orient
folks in a lesson. I just talk about the folks you have hands with.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:56 PM Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers
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I've used several designations, depending on the context:
Same-role neighbor
Diagonal neighbor
Diagonal
Or I might have fun pointing out that your neighbor's partner is also your
partner's neighbor, but you can call 'em Jay.
Jerome
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
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magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is
_______."
-Amy Wimmer
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6:41 p.m.
Except when they do. There are lots of dances where you interact with that
corner/diagonal/same role person. I can see the point of not going into great detail on
that, but I wouldn't dismiss them as being meaningless and to be ignored. I usually
say something like, "you have your partner and your neighbor and then there is 3rd
person diagonally across from you who you may interact with sometimes." I usually
don't go into any more detail about who that person is, but I want the new dancers to
be aware there is someone there.
Jonathan
On 4/25/2025 6:34 PM, jeff - syncopaths via Contra Callers wrote:
During the lesson, I typically identify the others in
the minor set as your partner, your neighbor, and the person you can ignore because they
don’t really matter much to you.
--
Jeffrey Spero
Culver City, CA
On Apr 25, 2025, at 4:05 PM, Angela DeCarlis via
Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Same-role neighbor; but usually I don't bother identifying that person as I orient
folks in a lesson. I just talk about the folks you have hands with.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:56 PM Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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I've used several designations, depending on the context:
Same-role neighbor
Diagonal neighbor
Diagonal
Or I might have fun pointing out that your neighbor's partner is also your
partner's neighbor, but you can call 'em Jay.
Jerome
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
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magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:22 PM Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers
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Hi All,
What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is
_______."
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
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6:34 p.m.
During the lesson, I typically identify the others in the minor set as your partner, your
neighbor, and the person you can ignore because they don’t really matter much to you.
--
Jeffrey Spero
Culver City, CA
On Apr 25, 2025, at 4:05 PM, Angela DeCarlis via
Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Same-role neighbor; but usually I don't bother identifying that person as I orient
folks in a lesson. I just talk about the folks you have hands with.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:56 PM Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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I've used several designations, depending on
the context:
Same-role neighbor
Diagonal neighbor
Diagonal
Or I might have fun pointing out that your neighbor's partner is also your
partner's neighbor, but you can call 'em Jay.
Jerome
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com <http://www.jeromegrisanti.com/>
"Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and
magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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6:05 p.m.
Same-role neighbor; but usually I don't bother identifying that person as I
orient folks in a lesson. I just talk about the folks you have hands with.
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:56 PM Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I've used several designations, depending on the
context:
Same-role neighbor
Diagonal neighbor
Diagonal
Or I might have fun pointing out that your neighbor's partner is also your
partner's neighbor, but you can call 'em Jay.
Jerome
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
"Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and
power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 6:22 PM Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi All,
What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is _______."
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
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5:55 p.m.
I've used several designations, depending on the context:
Same-role neighbor
Diagonal neighbor
Diagonal
Or I might have fun pointing out that your neighbor's partner is also your
partner's neighbor, but you can call 'em Jay.
Jerome
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
"Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power
and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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What do _you_ call your neighbor's partner in a 4-some when teaching a
lesson?
e.g.: "This is your partner, that is your neighbor, and that is _______."
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
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Julian Blechner