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Re: [Callers] Differences in Terminology - Contra v Becket

by Mark Jones via Callers

And for the comprehensive exploration of terminology of this nature and its rationale, see the explorations and essays of Larry Jennings in his two books, published by the New England Folk Festival Association (NEFFA) Give and Take (2004) http://www.neffa.org/give_and_take.html also available via CDSS https://store.cdss.org/component/mijoshop/product/360-give-and-take-a-seque… full title: Give-and-Take: a sequel to ZESTY CONTRAS, featuring 628 Dances in the New England Style, Provocative remarks, Exhortative essays and Arcane Analyses (2004) and also Zesty Contras (1983) http://www.cdss.org/product-details/zesty-contras.html Full title: Zesty Contras: A Selection of 500 New England Style Dances with a Provocative Explanatory Text (1988) and.. some background to Larry Jennings: CDSS Lifetime Contribution Award 2004—Larry Jennings Honored http://www.cdss.org/tl_files/cdss/documents/awards/award_2004_larry_jenning… Regards, Mark Jones On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Jack Mitchell via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > In your hands 4, the other opposite role person is still your neighbor. The person across from you is generally that person -- your neighbor. In the long lines, the people who are in the same position in their hands 4 as your partner are shadows -- generally you have 2 that you interact with, but sometimes more. Some people just use the term opposite interchangeably with neighbor. In squares, things are more definite. The person across from you is your opposite, the person next to you not your partner is your corner, the person on the other diagonal is your RH lady / LH gent, and as Larry Edilman reminded us at Pinewoods this year, there isn't any *$% neighbor in square dancing. :-) > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:41 PM Jeremy Child via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone >> >> In a normal (1s improper) contra, you start with your partner across from you and your neighbour next to you. Anyone outside the minor set is a new neighbour / shadow / something else. >> >> In a Becket formation, you start with your partner next to you. Who's opposite you - your neighbour or your opposite? If it's your opposite, who's your neighbour? Is it the person next to you who isn't your partner? (I have seen it used this way.) >> >> Jeremy Child >> Exeter, UK >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > -- > Jack Mitchell > Durham, NC > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >

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Re: [Callers] Differences in Terminology - Contra v Becket

by Jack Mitchell via Callers

In your hands 4, the other opposite role person is still your neighbor. The person across from you is generally that person -- your neighbor. In the long lines, the people who are in the same position in their hands 4 as your partner are shadows -- generally you have 2 that you interact with, but sometimes more. Some people just use the term opposite interchangeably with neighbor. In squares, things are more definite. The person across from you is your opposite, the person next to you not your partner is your corner, the person on the other diagonal is your RH lady / LH gent, and as Larry Edilman reminded us at Pinewoods this year, there isn't any *$% neighbor in square dancing. :-) On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:41 PM Jeremy Child via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Hi Everyone > > In a normal (1s improper) contra, you start with your partner across from > you and your neighbour next to you. Anyone outside the minor set is a new > neighbour / shadow / something else. > > In a Becket formation, you start with your partner next to you. Who's > opposite you - your neighbour or your opposite? If it's your opposite, > who's your neighbour? Is it the person next to you who isn't your partner? > (I have seen it used this way.) > > Jeremy Child > Exeter, UK > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > -- Jack Mitchell Durham, NC

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[Callers] Differences in Terminology - Contra v Becket

by Jeremy Child via Callers

Hi Everyone In a normal (1s improper) contra, you start with your partner across from you and your neighbour next to you. Anyone outside the minor set is a new neighbour / shadow / something else. In a Becket formation, you start with your partner next to you. Who's opposite you - your neighbour or your opposite? If it's your opposite, who's your neighbour? Is it the person next to you who isn't your partner? (I have seen it used this way.) Jeremy Child Exeter, UK

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Re: [Callers] counterclockwise momentum?

by John Sweeney via Callers

What to call after a dance with a lot of clockwise movement: I understand there are some Australian contras where they choreographed a counter-clockwise swing. Of course you would have to be careful with that as most people have never practised CCW swings. The CCW swing then provides momentum into moves you wouldn’t usually do after a swing. If a heavily CW-orientated dance has a Partner Swing then my wife and I often do it as a CCW swing anyway. You could do a no-swing dance! I was taught by a professional dancer that one way to overcome dizziness from too much CW rotation is to jump up and down to get the “jelly” in your ears to settle. So why not try a dance with lots of bouncing: gallops, heel-and-toes, etc. Happy dancing, John John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent

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[Callers] Text size problem

by Michael Fuerst via Callers

Two persons have lamented privately to me that my posts are reaching the group with almost unreadably small text.No where else I send email or post has reported this problem Which, if any of these lines better? 1. Garamond small 2. Garamond medium3. Garamond large 4 Modern small5 Modern Medium6 Modern wide Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844

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Re: [Callers] Text size problem

by Laur via Callers

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Re: [Callers] Problem dancers / Crying Wolf

by Neal Schlein via Callers

Zhou, On the committing violence front--I once had a sociology professor who used the word "violence" to describe just about everything (i.e., graffiti was violence, a company persistently not fixing warrantied products was violence, genocide was violence). He clearly needed a thesaurus, but it was a thought-provoking perspective and pointed out that violence is not specifically limited to physical acts--emotional and verbal acts can also inflict real damage. When I was a kid there was a mother in my scout troop who leveled accusations of sexual harassment against two of the leaders and demanded financial compensation; both of them were removed from their positions, divorced by their wives, and one paid her an out-of-court settlement while the other was forced to leave his job after she told his employer. When she started to go after a third leader, someone checked with her prior troop; they discovered it was a pattern, and that she was living off of a prior settlement. "Committing violence" seems like what she did to the families involved.. I'm not saying that Lindsay's case is the same--but it has similar elements, and dance group policies generally prohibit violence. We usually mean the physical kind, but when that word is coming to mind there's probably a reason. If the lady in question is doing harm to other members of the community, I'd want to be very careful about handling the matter. Neal Schlein On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Lindsay Morris via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Great point, thanks Lisa. > > > On Thursday, September 10, 2015, Lisa Greenleaf via Callers < > callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > >> Hi Everyone- >> >> I am cringing every time I read the word victim. VIctim implies >> powerlessness, so why not use the word dancer and encourage >> self-empowerment? >> >> Sometimes dancers approach me because I am an official organizer, and >> other times friends of the person approach me because they know I might be >> able to help. My first question around complaints is always, “Did you talk >> with the person whose behavior bothered you?” And then I model an “I” >> statement for them: “I don’t like that,” “I don’t feel comfortable dancing >> with you because I don’t like to be twirled,” etc. >> >> Of course, most people find it difficult to talk directly to the person >> disturbing them, but it’s still worth encouraging, especially if you show >> them how to do it. You are teaching them a real-world skill that they can >> use outside of the dance. >> >> When a dancer approaches me with a complaint, I don’t see them as a >> victim who needs rescuing. For one thing, I don’t know the real situation >> until I have heard both sides of the story. Yes, the situation may expand >> to a larger problem, but even then I don’t change “dancer” (or more >> specifically, the name of the person) to “victim.” >> >> Lisa >> >> >> > On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Yoyo Zhou via Callers < >> callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> > >> > Taking you at face value: if you have a systemic problem, you need a >> > policy. If you have a problem with one person, you need to come to >> > terms with that person. I'm not sure if it's just the board, or if >> > other dancers also have issues with her. But if you seek mediation, >> > take notes on your interactions so you have evidence to back yourself >> > up. >> > >> > >> > Now, I think the last thing you need is a policy requiring victims to >> > speak up. It's counterproductive to making a safe dance space. (Let's >> > discuss that on the other thread.) >> > >> > Let's say I'm new to your dance and I have a bad experience with >> > someone. What do I do? I might complain about it to my friends who >> > convinced me to come. I might just avoid that person. I might just go >> > home dissatisfied. One of the last things I might do is complain to >> > the management (and I might view that woman as an extension thereof), >> > because who knows if they'll just shrug it off and not take me >> > seriously? >> > >> > >> > Also, you wrote, "it seems to me that she's committing violence." No, >> > I disagree. This totally cheapens the meaning of "violence". What >> > words do you use for when punches are actually thrown? (It's happened >> > at a dance here.) >> > >> > Yoyo Zhou >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Ron Blechner via Callers >> > <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> Maybe. Maybe not. My point was that we should be very, very careful >> about >> >> making a definitive statement about something being "just an >> accusation", >> >> especially when in your example, there was a second problem - even if >> it was >> >> a year earlier. >> >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2015 10:39 AM, "Lindsay Morris via Callers" >> >> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Appreciate that. Don't think the "where there's smoke there's fire" >> issue >> >>> applies here, though. It would if there were several different women >> >>> complaining about one man... >> >>> >> >>> -------------------- >> >>> Lindsay Morris >> >>> CEO, TSMworks >> >>> Tel. 1-859-539-9900 >> >>> lindsay(a)tsmworks.com >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Lindsay, >> >>>> >> >>>> I realize this is a tricky topic, so apologies in advance if my >> brevity >> >>>> comes off as bruskness. >> >>>> >> >>>> These two suggestions work for Amherst Contra. >> >>>> >> >>>> As a proxy complaint comes in, a board member would seek out the >> source. >> >>>> Anonymous complaints are permitted, and a high level of ensuring >> that we ask >> >>>> open-ended questions, and not leading questions. >> >>>> >> >>>> We also wear board member buttons at dances and make regular >> >>>> announcements about us being available for any reason. Usually 4-7 >> members >> >>>> of our board attend any dance. >> >>>> >> >>>> You might speak privately to Will Loving, our lead organizer, if >> you're >> >>>> interested in more specifics. >> >>>> >> >>>> I would also caution about making such definitive statements as >> "just an >> >>>> accusation". In my experience, where there's smoke, there's fire. >> For every >> >>>> accusation, there's five people who are too uncomfortable to speak >> up. >> >>>> >> >>>> That said, I have seen the success of proactive addressing of >> issues. The >> >>>> biggest benefit is simple: >> >>>> >> >>>> Address it early when it's small, and not a huge deal. Maybe it's a >> >>>> simple misunderstanding. Maybe the person needed a clear boundary >> drawn. But >> >>>> wait until there's a pile of complaints, and you've already lost >> dancers and >> >>>> the resolution will need to be more severe for the offender. >> >>>> >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> Ron Blechner >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sep 9, 2015 10:08 AM, "Lindsay Morris via Callers" >> >>>> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Chris Weiler's Positive Solutions on dealing with problem dancers, >> and >> >>>>> the CDU Policy are thoughtful and useful documents. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> We have a different problem here. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> One woman often complains to board members about men she sees as >> >>>>> creepers or sexual predators. She reports their misbehavior on >> behalf of >> >>>>> their victims. The victims don't initiate these reports.* >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Many others don't see these men as creepy or inappropriate. >> Recently >> >>>>> one of the "victims" clarified that her discomfort with the man was >> a year >> >>>>> ago and she'd long ago dealt with it to her satisfaction. The man >> in >> >>>>> question had heard only rumors that some nameless woman was unhappy >> about >> >>>>> some nameless thing he'd done. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This woman also publicly asked that young women who feel harassed >> should >> >>>>> talk to her about it. We feel that's the Board's job, not hers. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It seems that this woman is fishing for - or even inventing - >> >>>>> "naughty-dancer" problems. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> When a married man gets accused of being a sexual predator, his >> wife has >> >>>>> to wonder if it's true. This adds to any marital tensions they may >> already >> >>>>> have. So, while this woman is not actually punching anybody in the >> face, it >> >>>>> seems to me that she's committing violence. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> How should we handle this? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I think we need a "No proxy complaints" policy - i.e., the victim >> has to >> >>>>> speak up (and then our process will usually fix simple >> miscommunication >> >>>>> issues). >> >>>>> We need to clearly identify board members, so genuine victims know >> who >> >>>>> to talk to. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> But does anybody have other ideas about preventing one person's >> issues >> >>>>> from poisoning the atmosphere of a mostly friendly dance? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ____ >> >>>>> * I know, victims often have a hard time stepping up and >> complaining, so >> >>>>> advocacy may be a good thing. But that's a different discussion. >> In these >> >>>>> situations, there's no victim; there's no predator; there's just an >> >>>>> accusation with little to back it up. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Callers mailing list >> >>>>> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> >>>>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Callers mailing list >> >>> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> >>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Callers mailing list >> >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Callers mailing list >> > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> >> Lisa >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> > > > -- > -------------------- > Lindsay Morris > CEO, TSMworks > Tel. 1-859-539-9900 > lindsay(a)tsmworks.com > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >

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Re: [Callers] Problem dancers / Crying Wolf

by Lisa Greenleaf via Callers

Hi Everyone- I am cringing every time I read the word victim. VIctim implies powerlessness, so why not use the word dancer and encourage self-empowerment? Sometimes dancers approach me because I am an official organizer, and other times friends of the person approach me because they know I might be able to help. My first question around complaints is always, “Did you talk with the person whose behavior bothered you?” And then I model an “I” statement for them: “I don’t like that,” “I don’t feel comfortable dancing with you because I don’t like to be twirled,” etc. Of course, most people find it difficult to talk directly to the person disturbing them, but it’s still worth encouraging, especially if you show them how to do it. You are teaching them a real-world skill that they can use outside of the dance. When a dancer approaches me with a complaint, I don’t see them as a victim who needs rescuing. For one thing, I don’t know the real situation until I have heard both sides of the story. Yes, the situation may expand to a larger problem, but even then I don’t change “dancer” (or more specifically, the name of the person) to “victim.” Lisa > On Sep 9, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Yoyo Zhou via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > Taking you at face value: if you have a systemic problem, you need a > policy. If you have a problem with one person, you need to come to > terms with that person. I'm not sure if it's just the board, or if > other dancers also have issues with her. But if you seek mediation, > take notes on your interactions so you have evidence to back yourself > up. > > > Now, I think the last thing you need is a policy requiring victims to > speak up. It's counterproductive to making a safe dance space. (Let's > discuss that on the other thread.) > > Let's say I'm new to your dance and I have a bad experience with > someone. What do I do? I might complain about it to my friends who > convinced me to come. I might just avoid that person. I might just go > home dissatisfied. One of the last things I might do is complain to > the management (and I might view that woman as an extension thereof), > because who knows if they'll just shrug it off and not take me > seriously? > > > Also, you wrote, "it seems to me that she's committing violence." No, > I disagree. This totally cheapens the meaning of "violence". What > words do you use for when punches are actually thrown? (It's happened > at a dance here.) > > Yoyo Zhou > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Ron Blechner via Callers > <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> Maybe. Maybe not. My point was that we should be very, very careful about >> making a definitive statement about something being "just an accusation", >> especially when in your example, there was a second problem - even if it was >> a year earlier. >> >> On Sep 9, 2015 10:39 AM, "Lindsay Morris via Callers" >> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >>> Appreciate that. Don't think the "where there's smoke there's fire" issue >>> applies here, though. It would if there were several different women >>> complaining about one man... >>> >>> -------------------- >>> Lindsay Morris >>> CEO, TSMworks >>> Tel. 1-859-539-9900 >>> lindsay(a)tsmworks.com >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Lindsay, >>>> >>>> I realize this is a tricky topic, so apologies in advance if my brevity >>>> comes off as bruskness. >>>> >>>> These two suggestions work for Amherst Contra. >>>> >>>> As a proxy complaint comes in, a board member would seek out the source. >>>> Anonymous complaints are permitted, and a high level of ensuring that we ask >>>> open-ended questions, and not leading questions. >>>> >>>> We also wear board member buttons at dances and make regular >>>> announcements about us being available for any reason. Usually 4-7 members >>>> of our board attend any dance. >>>> >>>> You might speak privately to Will Loving, our lead organizer, if you're >>>> interested in more specifics. >>>> >>>> I would also caution about making such definitive statements as "just an >>>> accusation". In my experience, where there's smoke, there's fire. For every >>>> accusation, there's five people who are too uncomfortable to speak up. >>>> >>>> That said, I have seen the success of proactive addressing of issues. The >>>> biggest benefit is simple: >>>> >>>> Address it early when it's small, and not a huge deal. Maybe it's a >>>> simple misunderstanding. Maybe the person needed a clear boundary drawn. But >>>> wait until there's a pile of complaints, and you've already lost dancers and >>>> the resolution will need to be more severe for the offender. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Ron Blechner >>>> >>>> On Sep 9, 2015 10:08 AM, "Lindsay Morris via Callers" >>>> <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chris Weiler's Positive Solutions on dealing with problem dancers, and >>>>> the CDU Policy are thoughtful and useful documents. >>>>> >>>>> We have a different problem here. >>>>> >>>>> One woman often complains to board members about men she sees as >>>>> creepers or sexual predators. She reports their misbehavior on behalf of >>>>> their victims. The victims don't initiate these reports.* >>>>> >>>>> Many others don't see these men as creepy or inappropriate. Recently >>>>> one of the "victims" clarified that her discomfort with the man was a year >>>>> ago and she'd long ago dealt with it to her satisfaction. The man in >>>>> question had heard only rumors that some nameless woman was unhappy about >>>>> some nameless thing he'd done. >>>>> >>>>> This woman also publicly asked that young women who feel harassed should >>>>> talk to her about it. We feel that's the Board's job, not hers. >>>>> >>>>> It seems that this woman is fishing for - or even inventing - >>>>> "naughty-dancer" problems. >>>>> >>>>> When a married man gets accused of being a sexual predator, his wife has >>>>> to wonder if it's true. This adds to any marital tensions they may already >>>>> have. So, while this woman is not actually punching anybody in the face, it >>>>> seems to me that she's committing violence. >>>>> >>>>> How should we handle this? >>>>> >>>>> I think we need a "No proxy complaints" policy - i.e., the victim has to >>>>> speak up (and then our process will usually fix simple miscommunication >>>>> issues). >>>>> We need to clearly identify board members, so genuine victims know who >>>>> to talk to. >>>>> >>>>> But does anybody have other ideas about preventing one person's issues >>>>> from poisoning the atmosphere of a mostly friendly dance? >>>>> >>>>> ____ >>>>> * I know, victims often have a hard time stepping up and complaining, so >>>>> advocacy may be a good thing. But that's a different discussion. In these >>>>> situations, there's no victim; there's no predator; there's just an >>>>> accusation with little to back it up. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Callers mailing list >>>>> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>>>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >>>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Callers mailing list >>> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >> > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net Lisa

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Re: [Callers] Rollaway sans sashay?

by Neal Schlein via Callers

Virtual Relief by Byron Rickers is a Beckett with a long lines and ladies roll/long lines and men roll progression. If the non-roller moves, they are out of position. Lovely dance, which I use regularly. Neal On Sep 9, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maia McCormick via Callers" < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Recently there was some discussion of the difference between a "rollaway > with a half-sashay" and a plain ol' rollaway. Jim Saxe presented the dance Roll > Away <http://contradances.blogspot.com/2012/03/roll-away.html> as an > example of a contra with a rollaway without a half-sashay. Can anyone else > name/post choreography for any CONTRAS (or 4-face-4s, I suppose... not > looking for squares at the moment, though) that include a rollaway > *without* a half-sashay? > > Cheers, > Maia > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >

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Re: [Callers] Rollaway sans sashay?

by Tom Hinds via Callers

I believe it's called If You Were Dead. I called it in England recently and out of all the dances I called, that was the most popular. I understand it was the first one she's written!!!!! T On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Perry Shafran via Callers wrote: > I happen to know of one by Rachel Fifer, Gaye Fifer's daughter. I > don't recall the title offhand but I can check later on. But the > roll away is not along the line but in a ring. You balance, and > gents roll away a neighbor from their left hand to their right > hand, but the gents stay in place. > > Perry > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > From:"Maia McCormick via Callers" <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> > Date:Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:16 PM > Subject:[Callers] Rollaway sans sashay? > > Recently there was some discussion of the difference between a > "rollaway with a half-sashay" and a plain ol' rollaway. Jim Saxe > presented the dance Roll Away as an example of a contra with a > rollaway without a half-sashay. Can anyone else name/post > choreography for any CONTRAS (or 4-face-4s, I suppose... not > looking for squares at the moment, though) that include a rollaway > without a half-sashay? > > Cheers, > Maia > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

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